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	<title>Comments on: Thursday Bloggedy Blog Blog: Formspring and Used Games</title>
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		<title>By: Tygrezz</title>
		<link>http://www.npccomic.com/2010/08/26/thursday-bloggedy-blog-blog-formspring-and-used-games/comment-page-1/#comment-7824</link>
		<dc:creator>Tygrezz</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 03 Sep 2010 14:22:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I think there is one thing the PA guys aren&#039;t considering, which is that the economy sucks. Spending money on used items keeps money in circulation, keeps the kind of people employed who tend to have more spending money than &quot;responsible&quot; money, and that keeps more things being purchased as well. I support the economy, and for me it&#039;s better to buy a game used than to not buy one at all.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think there is one thing the PA guys aren&#8217;t considering, which is that the economy sucks. Spending money on used items keeps money in circulation, keeps the kind of people employed who tend to have more spending money than &#8220;responsible&#8221; money, and that keeps more things being purchased as well. I support the economy, and for me it&#8217;s better to buy a game used than to not buy one at all.</p>
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		<title>By: LadyStoreOwner</title>
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		<dc:creator>LadyStoreOwner</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 31 Aug 2010 16:54:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I personally dislike the chain video game stores in general. Lack of knowledge in product, and cookie-cutter sales people just bugs me. That having been said, I am trying to open a gaming store where I intend to sell new and used video games in addition to other gaming supplies. Buying used from your local gaming store that is trying to make it, and make a difference in the community, is a good thing. Think of your purchase as supporting us. I know I am completely biased in this discussion, but I have always tried to buy my games from independent retailers. 
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I personally dislike the chain video game stores in general. Lack of knowledge in product, and cookie-cutter sales people just bugs me. That having been said, I am trying to open a gaming store where I intend to sell new and used video games in addition to other gaming supplies. Buying used from your local gaming store that is trying to make it, and make a difference in the community, is a good thing. Think of your purchase as supporting us. I know I am completely biased in this discussion, but I have always tried to buy my games from independent retailers.<br />
/off soapbox</p>
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		<title>By: ZeroBudgetGamer</title>
		<link>http://www.npccomic.com/2010/08/26/thursday-bloggedy-blog-blog-formspring-and-used-games/comment-page-1/#comment-7765</link>
		<dc:creator>ZeroBudgetGamer</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 31 Aug 2010 00:44:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I&#039;ll admit piracy is bad, but what my grandpa does is sort of low-end on the totem pole in terms of illegality; he pays for the service, he only burns them so he has a large collection of options instead of the handful of options Netflix allows him to keep at a time, and he doesn&#039;t sell them.  I don&#039;t even think he passes them out to anyone, he only occasionally burns us a copy of something we want cuz we&#039;re family.

I don&#039;t have the ability to rent, only because my parents don&#039;t rent anything and won&#039;t cough up the cash to let me subscribe to Gamefly, so I have to be a bit of a cautious shopper when looking for a new game.  I only have a PS2 and DS, though, so on one side it&#039;s buy used or buy nothing at all, and on the other not only am I far more prone to find it New if I&#039;m looking for it still in the box, but the difference in cost between new and used is even smaller than console games, so I&#039;ll usually just get it new.  My collection houses most RPG series, such as the Final Fantasies, Dragon Quests, Suikodens, Pokemon and Tales, as well as various Megaman, Castlevania, and Zelda/Mario games.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;ll admit piracy is bad, but what my grandpa does is sort of low-end on the totem pole in terms of illegality; he pays for the service, he only burns them so he has a large collection of options instead of the handful of options Netflix allows him to keep at a time, and he doesn&#8217;t sell them.  I don&#8217;t even think he passes them out to anyone, he only occasionally burns us a copy of something we want cuz we&#8217;re family.</p>
<p>I don&#8217;t have the ability to rent, only because my parents don&#8217;t rent anything and won&#8217;t cough up the cash to let me subscribe to Gamefly, so I have to be a bit of a cautious shopper when looking for a new game.  I only have a PS2 and DS, though, so on one side it&#8217;s buy used or buy nothing at all, and on the other not only am I far more prone to find it New if I&#8217;m looking for it still in the box, but the difference in cost between new and used is even smaller than console games, so I&#8217;ll usually just get it new.  My collection houses most RPG series, such as the Final Fantasies, Dragon Quests, Suikodens, Pokemon and Tales, as well as various Megaman, Castlevania, and Zelda/Mario games.</p>
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		<title>By: maryvarn</title>
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		<dc:creator>maryvarn</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 30 Aug 2010 22:33:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Thanks for the good discussion, and keep it coming.

I don&#039;t think either party is &quot;the bad guy&quot; here. The game devs, publishers, and retailers, are just trying to operate a good business and turn a profit so they can stay in business, keep people employed, and grow. And the consumers are just trying to make the best choice they can for themselves, taking into consideration countless options.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks for the good discussion, and keep it coming.</p>
<p>I don&#8217;t think either party is &#8220;the bad guy&#8221; here. The game devs, publishers, and retailers, are just trying to operate a good business and turn a profit so they can stay in business, keep people employed, and grow. And the consumers are just trying to make the best choice they can for themselves, taking into consideration countless options.</p>
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		<title>By: Icesnake</title>
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		<dc:creator>Icesnake</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 30 Aug 2010 17:12:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[You know what? The game devs are mostly paid by the company that employs them - even if the game totally tanks. And in any case, if they can&#039;t figure out how to entice me to pay full retail for the game when it&#039;s new (like Blizzard does - OMG I want the Collector&#039;s Edition of EVERYTHING Blizzard!) then it&#039;s NOT MY PROBLEM if they have to flip burgers instead of developing more crap games.

When the price is equivalent to a used game, I&#039;ll buy it new, too. I bought Portal new for $10. I bought the Orange Box new later - for $20.

Make the game packaging worth something; otherwise, used games make a lot more sense than &quot;new&quot; games.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You know what? The game devs are mostly paid by the company that employs them &#8211; even if the game totally tanks. And in any case, if they can&#8217;t figure out how to entice me to pay full retail for the game when it&#8217;s new (like Blizzard does &#8211; OMG I want the Collector&#8217;s Edition of EVERYTHING Blizzard!) then it&#8217;s NOT MY PROBLEM if they have to flip burgers instead of developing more crap games.</p>
<p>When the price is equivalent to a used game, I&#8217;ll buy it new, too. I bought Portal new for $10. I bought the Orange Box new later &#8211; for $20.</p>
<p>Make the game packaging worth something; otherwise, used games make a lot more sense than &#8220;new&#8221; games.</p>
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		<title>By: Grimloche</title>
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		<dc:creator>Grimloche</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 30 Aug 2010 13:06:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[The only games I buy are ones I know I have enjoyed or know it will be a long ass game.  Examples: Batman Arkham Asylum Collectors edition, Every Final Fantasy Game, Fallout 3 Collectors edition for PS3 and Game of the Year edition 360 (I didn&#039;t know the DLC was going to be 360 exclusive), Oblivion and I can go on.  I actually have a good library of games.  However I always rent my games to see if I&#039;m even going to like it and if it will have any replay value.  If I walk through a game and it takes no real effort, Dante&#039;s Inferno for example, and I can walk through it even easier the second time, because I now know where everything is.  it&#039;s not worth buying.  As for your example of your grandpa having netflix and can rip and burn whatever....I don&#039;t support piracy, I don&#039;t rip and burn any of the movies I get from netflix, in fact 98% of what I watch is on demand.  I also don&#039;t and have never sold my games off to a gamestore.  I&#039;m glad you could take an example and make it seem like it was something more then that.  \m/@.@\m/]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The only games I buy are ones I know I have enjoyed or know it will be a long -ss game.  Examples: Batman Arkham Asylum Collectors edition, Every Final Fantasy Game, Fallout 3 Collectors edition for PS3 and Game of the Year edition 360 (I didn&#8217;t know the DLC was going to be 360 exclusive), Oblivion and I can go on.  I actually have a good library of games.  However I always rent my games to see if I&#8217;m even going to like it and if it will have any replay value.  If I walk through a game and it takes no real effort, Dante&#8217;s Inferno for example, and I can walk through it even easier the second time, because I now know where everything is.  it&#8217;s not worth buying.  As for your example of your grandpa having netflix and can rip and burn whatever&#8230;.I don&#8217;t support piracy, I don&#8217;t rip and burn any of the movies I get from netflix, in fact 98% of what I watch is on demand.  I also don&#8217;t and have never sold my games off to a gamestore.  I&#8217;m glad you could take an example and make it seem like it was something more then that.  \m/@.@\m/</p>
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		<title>By: ZeroBudgetGamer</title>
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		<dc:creator>ZeroBudgetGamer</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 29 Aug 2010 23:36:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Responses to each point in order:

1) The primary reason why they feel confident is because if/when you find a ripped copy of the game, it can only be burned onto a particular type of DVD in order to function, and the system will only recognize said DVD if you hack it to do as such.  Even then, chances are the quality of the game will dwindle; I have a buddy with over a hundred Dreamcast games someone burned for him, and all of them skip and freeze constantly.

2) I feel the exact same way.  Far too many gamers seem to just buy/play anything and everything, so it&#039;s somewhat hard to influence the industry.  We need more people who can buy wisely, wait for a mediocre game to go on sale, only Reserve when they know it&#039;s something they really want, and knowingly support great companies.

3) DLC is the precise problem that brought this whole debate back to life.  As I mentioned down below, the article that got PA&#039;s attention was about THQ&#039;s new wrestling game having it&#039;s online function locked, and the only way to unlock it is either by spending $10 for a code, or by getting one for free when you buy the game New.  While this does bring it do a pretty big low, it is, by all purposes, an incentive to buy new.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Responses to each point in order:</p>
<p>1) The primary reason why they feel confident is because if/when you find a ripped copy of the game, it can only be burned onto a particular type of DVD in order to function, and the system will only recognize said DVD if you hack it to do as such.  Even then, chances are the quality of the game will dwindle; I have a buddy with over a hundred Dreamcast games someone burned for him, and all of them skip and freeze constantly.</p>
<p>2) I feel the exact same way.  Far too many gamers seem to just buy/play anything and everything, so it&#8217;s somewhat hard to influence the industry.  We need more people who can buy wisely, wait for a mediocre game to go on sale, only Reserve when they know it&#8217;s something they really want, and knowingly support great companies.</p>
<p>3) DLC is the precise problem that brought this whole debate back to life.  As I mentioned down below, the article that got PA&#8217;s attention was about THQ&#8217;s new wrestling game having it&#8217;s online function locked, and the only way to unlock it is either by spending $10 for a code, or by getting one for free when you buy the game New.  While this does bring it do a pretty big low, it is, by all purposes, an incentive to buy new.</p>
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		<title>By: ZeroBudgetGamer</title>
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		<dc:creator>ZeroBudgetGamer</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 29 Aug 2010 23:23:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Sorry, Scott Pilgrim Flopped, not Bombed.  Terminology error.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sorry, Scott Pilgrim Flopped, not Bombed.  Terminology error.</p>
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		<title>By: ZeroBudgetGamer</title>
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		<dc:creator>ZeroBudgetGamer</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 29 Aug 2010 23:22:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Why does my Dad buy DVD&#039;s even though my Grandpa has Netflix and can rip-and-burn anything we could ever want?  Simply enough, some people like the ability to own the actual thing instead of just renting or owning a copy of it.  I, for one, love Square-Enix and Level 5, and will always buy their games New to show my support.  I also don&#039;t sell my games anymore, because I&#039;ve found that A. I get a great deal of enjoyment playing them over again after a year or longer has passed, and B. any time I sold a game, I&#039;d end up wanting to play it again after so many years have passed.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Why does my Dad buy DVD&#8217;s even though my Grandpa has Netflix and can rip-and-burn anything we could ever want?  Simply enough, some people like the ability to own the actual thing instead of just renting or owning a copy of it.  I, for one, love Square-Enix and Level 5, and will always buy their games New to show my support.  I also don&#8217;t sell my games anymore, because I&#8217;ve found that A. I get a great deal of enjoyment playing them over again after a year or longer has passed, and B. any time I sold a game, I&#8217;d end up wanting to play it again after so many years have passed.</p>
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		<title>By: ZeroBudgetGamer</title>
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		<dc:creator>ZeroBudgetGamer</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 29 Aug 2010 23:16:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I paid to go see Inception and Avatar once each, and those movies both made profits.  Meanwhile, I paid to go see Scott Pilgrim only once, and it bombed.  So what happened?  I paid my money, why did those other movies make a profit, while Scott Pilgrim is still struggling to stay up in the Box Office?

Just because a game got purchased, and then subsequently sold doesn&#039;t necessarily mean the game publisher made a profit of it.  And for that matter, you&#039;d really rather have Gamestop receive your business, even though the money they earn can&#039;t and probably won&#039;t go into making the games you play any better?  Try selling the games you don&#039;t want on eBay or Amazon; you&#039;re guaranteed to get more back from them than you would even selling on credit to Gamestop.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I paid to go see Inception and Avatar once each, and those movies both made profits.  Meanwhile, I paid to go see Scott Pilgrim only once, and it bombed.  So what happened?  I paid my money, why did those other movies make a profit, while Scott Pilgrim is still struggling to stay up in the Box Office?</p>
<p>Just because a game got purchased, and then subsequently sold doesn&#8217;t necessarily mean the game publisher made a profit of it.  And for that matter, you&#8217;d really rather have Gamestop receive your business, even though the money they earn can&#8217;t and probably won&#8217;t go into making the games you play any better?  Try selling the games you don&#8217;t want on eBay or Amazon; you&#8217;re guaranteed to get more back from them than you would even selling on credit to Gamestop.</p>
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