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This is why I’m glad I’m a tank, they only seem interested in one number, “What is your hp unbuffed?” Which is a very easy question to answer.
I guess that’s better then hearing A/S/L all day
Same for DPS, they just ask for a number and you just give them one they expecting
And that is why I am a healer. No one ever asks what my stats are; they’re just happy to get a healer.
Dps counts suck…….but being a tricky little vanishing rogue is sooooooooo worth it all….OH! CHEST! *tries to open it* it’s locked…*picks the lock* It’ll be done in about…a week
Yes I also hate when people start asking that kind of thing… fortunately, I usually play a mage and the server is way too ful of melee dps, so I can actually say ‘no’ when people ask me to link my dps and still get invited.
Being a DK I use to have this problem. I solved it by just saying “enough.” I get invited usually because they think Im a bigger jerk than the raid leader
O-Digga, you must be on a server that’s really hard-up for healers, because I am always asked what my heals are. Fortunately, I don’t pug much anymore, between guildmates who want me to run stuff, and a small selection of people I’ve healed for who have me friended.
The big thing on my server now is gear score. Some idiot got it in his head that the number on wow-heroes somehow equated to level of skill. Yay us. *eyeroll*
Oh how I can relate to that.
I usually tend to just answer “enough” or just ask in return “which number do you want to hear?”.
Another thing that makes me wonder is when someone checks armory before inviting someone … made my discpriest always wear Benediction, T3 Shoulders and Robes of the Guardian Saint when she logs out.
You know you really don’t want to raid with someone who really things that an 80 would heal in just those three Items in Ulduar or ToC
5! What do you mean ‘No, seriously’? Ok fine, I don’t like to brag, but it’s actually more like 7.
Solved this problem by asking them what my role was. Those who had the willingness to answer didn’t seem to care what numbers I produced after. Get’s harder with a Rogue, I guess.
I say why not ask them what THEIR DPS is.
I know the feeling, I have about a 2k flux between some of the bosses in Ulduar and ToC. Unfortunately, as a Shadow Priest, I suffer from poor scaling. I did not have a regular raid spot before Ulduar, so my gear shot up fast in there, since most of my guild was in BiS Naxx gear, and my DPS skyrocketed and I was near the top of the charts for a little bit. Then mid Ulduar I startted to slip as others also started getting upgrades over their Naxx gear. Now I am in the lower third of the DPS in my raid group, holding my own, and not dieing, but just not scaling the same as some of the other classes.
Oh man, yeah. Especially since I’m still trying to gear my DPS toon up. My main is my healer — a disc priest, so any time anyone asks me my numbers, I just want to rip my hair out. Do you want my pathetically low (by most people’s standards!) actual healing numbers or do you want that plus the amount of damage I prevent with my bubbles or do you want… yeaaah. I has lots of mana?
srsly: you give him the number you get in average you get fighting the boss dummy selfbuffed. e.g.: i say 4k dps, in average it do 3.3 to 3.5 on dummy without anyone giving slow debuf (12% more dmg) or having a target for focus magic (3% more crit) i therby conclude 4k on 10man und ober 5k in 25man. and mostly this is what i get in most of fights: AK25> about 5k, AK10: 4k
i nowadays go with those number. coz its not very often anyone invites you to movming heavy fights like yogg-saron.
i hope this helped kinda, if someone asks juist tell the number you had last time in 10/25 AK or you calculated dps with the dummy
o.O why do i have an avatar pic and even one i have last used an year ago or so….
btw great comix
@Grem: I’m with ya man! being a tank rocks! Except as a frost DK, i usually beat at least one of the dps people in my group
i think the question is valid in some ways. as in the 2nd panel, you know your stats and know how they chance and probably know how to tweek them for certain encounters. thus are someone who knows his class well and play with it. its the 3rd panel which shows that the guy didnt get that you are a good dps. the question is in itself totally valid to ask.
when i open up a ToC PuG i ask for the the Damage Dealer how much Dps they do and look up in armory if their equip can backup their answer. I check these things up coz i can.
For Healers and Tank i cannot, even if the tank has a bajillion life, i cant check with some number or other stats if he takes 2 minutes to taunt a new spawnd mob from a healer or not.
so the things that can be checked should be. even if it may be offputting.
And of course there’s group make-up which determines what buffs are available.
Stupid ret paladin having to stay glued to the target to break 2.5k DPS in Ulduar 25 gear… On Patchwerk, I broke 4.5k in 200s. On Emalon, I don’t even manage 2.5 in 226.
Put it like this. Imagine you had to have a stack of 5 Deadly Poison to use your offhand.
Yeah. That’s ret pally.
DPS? 1k. yes i am Serious. Ice mage. No damage…… Crowd control. for some reason tho not many people understand how a good ice mage doing what he dose best can benefit. tank loses control? buys him time to get it back. healer getting pounded and tank unable to respond? Ice mage can pull it off (sometimes) and survive for a bit to again give eaither the tank a chance to get it back Or a DPS to Kill it. Ice Mages are COOL!
Yeah, I’ve learned not to group with PuG leaders who ask silly questions like that. My main is a holy paladin, but the alt I play the most is an enhancement shaman.
Fortunately, I do most raids (everything except VoA 10) with my guild, so I don’t have to worry about getting into raid PuGs, and on my paladin, when they see my mana pool is 29K unbuffed, they usually don’t ask silly questions about my SP.
I’m also on an RP server, so some people freak when they see a tank with ridiculously low HP or a healer with low mana (ie. lower than it would be in their DPS spec and gear), not realizing the individual is in their RP-gear, and is actually loaded with Ulduar-25 and Col-25 gear. Their loss when they kick that healer or tank.
When I’ve been in ret gear and spec doing dailies, and get invited as a healer, I also often get the question “you can heal, right?” Umm, yes, I can heal, but doing dailies as ret is so much faster than as holy! Don’t panic, I’ll change specs and gear when the group is full.
Only questions I get on my elemental/restoration shaman is “would you mind dps/healing (insert place here)”
On a semi-related note… those names: Deathblaze and Bloodxxxxx sound awfully death knight-ish.
Haha, good stuff. One minor flaw though – that type of person would never use punctuation or form coherent sentences, never mind punctuate =P
the easy answer is over 9000
Buff yourself (no reason to do it unbuffed, just self-buffed) and DPS the Heroic Training Dummy from behind for about 5 minutes. That’s a standard that anybody can be measured on. Second-best “DPS standard” would be Patchwerk.
I usually just give a range like “4-6k depending on the fight”. Of course as an Elemental, I don’t scale at all really. I frequently sustain over 4k in heroics.
at our realm it just link your Achivement. it’s kinda lame know a lock that can do 1.4K stable dps \o/
and cleared 10 cotc (or something like it)
It’s situations like these that have removed that question from my own server, in favor of “What’s your gearscore?” Not much better. -.-
I guess that your “official DPS” is the DPS that you can make on a “dummy” or a tank-and-spank boss. The best example of such a boss if probably Patchwerk.
For DPS questions like that, I usually say “higher than yours”
I so did this once as a tank…
Anon: need a tank for emalon whats your hp?
Me: unbuffed/selfbuffed/raidbuffed? In normal tanking gear, full avoidance gear, or EH gear?
Anon: wtf just a number
Me: Umm…xxxxx (don’t remember what it was…was a well-geared druid tank)
Anon: nope too low sorry.
Me: !@$#$
Seriously, though, now I ask what they consider good, and place myself above that.
There are two answers to this question.
1. “5k” or what ever your dps is rounded up of course aka 4.7k=5k 4.4k=4.5k. This is your dps on patchwerk 25m (assuming you don’t eat a hateful strike). They expect this because you are dps and you have (or should have) a big ego.
2. “solo unbuffed dps 3k” this is your training dumb dps.
I take “What’s your DPS” to be “I’m looking to blame someone for our group’s failings” and generally decline.
But mostly I’m a tank, for which the question is “what’s your HP”, something harder to avoid and often just as irrelevant. Being unable to keep a 27k HP tank alive means you’re probably also unable to keep a 29k HP tank alive.
To bollix those people doing gear checks, log out with vanity items on: say, Brewfest Regalia, Spring Flowers, Easter Basket. Maybe Crown of The Fire Festival if you’re feeling cheeky. Tuxedo pants and shirt. Egan’s blaster, if you still have it, for a ranged slot.
Or if you have the inventory space, log out nude…
As a newly made 80 ret paladin I have some decent gear but I dont break 2k dps. I tried to explain that I have nice AoE for packs in HCulling but the peorson threw a fit at me saying if i cant single target do 2k then AoE DPS is worthless.
So I went and did a ToC instead and had fun and 2 hours later he was still looking for his 2k min dps for Hculling
While I can’t say I play dps ever, I do play tanks. My favorite type of tank to play is a proc pally. with the right gear you can heal so fast and take so little damage that you can solo most non-dungeon elites. granted it takes like 5-7 mins but you can do it.
I think being a tank is more about not dying than it’s about having hp. I prefer pallys for this reason; they can self heal and have access to the best armor. it’s rather silly how much a proc spec pally can resist damage with the right talents and gear. even at low levels just picking decent armor you can stand there and take the heat of a mob 4-5 levels higher than you (i’ve done it). what you have to get used to is not killing them quickly. the goal is to win by attrition so that they run out of healing and attack juice (mana energy etc) before you do.
I could go on with my thoughts on current game proc pallys but I’ll leave it there because this is not the right venue.
its prot. not proc.
I hate those questions. Cant people just invite and give other players a chance? If they’re bad they can still sort of put them on a list so they know that this player sucked..
And when I was in group with people asking numbers, the answers were hardly ever correct.
I just give them a number they expect, and when I don’t match the number in the raid I just blame lag or faulty keyboard.
When people ask “LFM DPS for Naxx25, 3K+ required” I always laugh at them in public. “If you require 3K DPS from the last DPS spots, that must mean that you have some really crappy DPS in the group now.” That’s especially fun if the advertiser is a pure DPS class.
I got 16K once on Hodir, so I guess that’s the answer! Context-free questions about DPS are better than gearscore, but not by much.
This one time
On heroic Twins
I got 15k.
http://www.worldoflogs.com/reports/age2le2l94u83f3y/sum/damageDone/?s=7216&e=7457
Yaaaaaay!
I think I’m in the minority here and actually play WoW just for fun, and sometimes go on quests with others…..don’t get me wrong, I LOVE playing WoW….but sometimes I feel as if I’m missing something when people start talking like this.
And please don’t go all “You must not be a serious WoW player” If I was, I’d probably be kicking ass in a raid group right now, not laughing that I’m only a lvl 27 Tank.
And for the record, what’s DPS?
I tell them 11k. I don’t tell them that its for Anub Heroic 25 man where I get massive AOE on the adds